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Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GDIViperM » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:43 pm

Isn't it a good idea for a C&C-Mode in Renegade X? The Modder of "Empires" (HalfLife 2 Modification) did it VERY WELL. I wish there where a Mod like that in C&C style!

It must just be a Mod in Rene X, the oldschool AOW rocks anyway...
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GummiBear » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:34 am

hmm... well on W3d engine it would bring up lots of problem... but I wonder how it would be in UT3 engine though... though one of the problems would still be that the matches could be drawn out indefinitely, and you don't really feel you cripple the other team by killing a building as they soon get it back anyway...
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby MightyBOB » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:37 pm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GDIViperM @ Jul 15 2008, 04:43 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=10772]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
I wish there where a Mod like that in C&C style![/b]

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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GDIViperM » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:31 pm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mighty BOB! @ Jul 16 2008, 11:37 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=10840]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>



In this Mod, I can't build any bases or buildings... I saw nothing about this
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby MightyBOB » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:21 pm

Tiberium Genesis has had a rich history of base building and had a completely working system in their last version on I believe Operation Flashpoint.

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Game modes like infiltrate the enemy base(s) or build your own base(s).[/b]
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby [NE]Fobby[GEN] » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:35 am

You won't be able to build/rebuild in the mod, because that's just not Renegade. Destroying a building isn't easy in Renegade, it would suck if a team spent a lot of effort trying to destroy a building, then seeing it rebuilt a few minutes later. Being crippled by the destruction of buildings is one of Renegade's key ideas.
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby Titan1x77 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:46 am

Amazing some people dont read the topics, i'll touch on this though :rolleyes:

We might have a mode where u can set them up in the beginning much like empires, with a commander. Sgt. may (former member) wanted to do something like this, but hes not around and there isnt much interest on my behalf nor the teams... I can think of many more gamemodes which would be alot more fun then a commander mode with base building... but, u never know.
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby [NE]Fobby[GEN] » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:49 am

Yes as Titan said, other game modes are no problem. Titan actually came up with a really cool C&C-mode CTF mixture idea for a seperate game mode when we started the mod, I can't wait to see what he could do with that.
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GDIViperM » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:30 pm

ah ok mighty bob! sounds cool.


NEFobbyGEN:

First, I said just a mod, AOW rocks ;) and Renegade is C&C don't forget that! I can play Call of Duty or CS or UT if I want a ego-shooter game. But I think in a C&C game you must have the chance to play C&C ;) also in 3D ego! So you can keep up the nice Gameplay when you for example reset the cost of a new building if its once destroyed or you make it impossible to build it twice in a Map... or something else... AND VERY IMPORTANT it dont have to be a Commander Game! every player have maybe 2 Building credits and he can build 2 Buildings maybe and he needs of corse some gamepoints... and this in a given sector.. (like in the normal C&C taktik games...) aiiight? so... it is possible to build 2 Ref or 2 AGT's maybe the cost will increase or so... you can make a good GamePlay with Building constructions...


@ Titan1x77:

read in NEFobby ;) and what other mods??? CTF can i play in UT ^^
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby omega79 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:49 pm

i love the way it is done in savage ... but not for renny ...
but i really would love to see something like savage in the tiberian univers, not done by EA
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby [NE]Fobby[GEN] » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:11 pm

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First, I said just a mod, AOW rocks wink.gif and Renegade is C&C don't forget that! I can play Call of Duty or CS or UT if I want a ego-shooter game. But I think in a C&C game you must have the chance to play C&C[/b]


Yes I understood what you meant, I am just saying that the idea of building and rebuilding structures, although cool and very c&cish, wouldn't work in Renegade. But who knows, like Titan said, we might consider the idea again in the future.

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and what other mods??? CTF can i play in UT ^^[/b]


It's a different kind of CTF idea, so it's not like the traditional one. We'll reveal more when we've started on it ;)
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby omega79 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:27 pm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NEFobbyGEN @ Jul 17 2008, 01:11 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=10978]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
Yes I understood what you meant, I am just saying that the idea of building and rebuilding structures, although cool and very c&cish, wouldn't work in Renegade. But who knows, like Titan said, we might consider the idea again in the future.[/b]

if you havent played savage you should try that ...
for the case you will think about something like that

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It's a different kind of CTF idea, so it's not like the traditional one. We'll reveal more when we've started on it ;) [/b]

capture the mobius ? :blink: :P :lol: ;) :rolleyes:



... btw ...
i like rebuyable turrets

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turrets should be a serveroption for maps without a major basedefense, like islands ...
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GDIViperM » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:20 pm

@ NEFobbyGEN:

why you can say, it wouldn't work ^^ it will!! ;) you just must have someone who can code that... If you would play "Empires" (HL2-mod) you would change your opinion, its realy very cool... (or this "savage").

pm: have a look at my map Meadow it makes the first place in a mapcontest in CnC-HQ(.com) and was favorited on UNRULES.COM server... look in the signatur :P


@ omega

ok I will check this game or mod out if I can play it free! :)
and replacable def-towers rocks!! that is one thing that i miss in some renegade maps ;)
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby [NE]Fobby[GEN] » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm

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why you can say, it wouldn't work ^^ it will!! wink.gif you just must have someone who can code that... If you would play "Empires" (HL2-mod) you would change your opinion, its realy very cool... (or this "savage").

pm: have a look at my map Meadow it makes the first place in a mapcontest in CnC-HQ(.com) and was favorited on UNRULES.COM server... look in the signatur[/b]


I told you why it wouldn't work:

"Destroying a building isn't easy in Renegade, it would suck if a team spent a lot of effort trying to destroy a building, then seeing it rebuilt a few minutes later. Being crippled by the destruction of buildings is one of Renegade's key ideas."

Plus, this would mean that we'd need a Construction Yard to rebuild stuff, right? Then don't you think everyone's just going to concentrate on defending the construction yard instead of other buildings? Not a good gameplay element if there's only one "weak point" in the game, because that makes it too easy to defend and too hard to destroy.

Empires is a good mod, but it's different from Renegade and what we want in Renegade X. Empires is also relatively slow based and complicated, while Renegade is quick and easy to play.
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RE: Rene-X Game Mod: Build the base - Like in Empires (HL2-Mod)

Postby GDIViperM » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:33 pm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NEFobbyGEN @ Jul 17 2008, 09:31 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=10983]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
I told you why it wouldn't work:

"Destroying a building isn't easy in Renegade, it would suck if a team spent a lot of effort trying to destroy a building, then seeing it rebuilt a few minutes later. Being crippled by the destruction of buildings is one of Renegade's key ideas."

Plus, this would mean that we'd need a Construction Yard to rebuild stuff, right? Then don't you think everyone's just going to concentrate on defending the construction yard instead of other buildings? Not a good gameplay element if there's only one "weak point" in the game, because that makes it too easy to defend and too hard to destroy.[/b]


I said:
"So you can keep up the nice Gameplay when you for example it raise the cost of a new building if its once destroyed or you make it impossible to build it twice in a Map... or something else... AND VERY IMPORTANT it dont have to be a Commander Game! every player have maybe 2 Building credits and he can build 2 Buildings maybe and he needs of corse some gamepoints... and this in a given sector.."

or you have a building-limit:
both teams can build for example 7 buildings and they have a free choose in maybe 12 diffrent C&C buildings: WF, Bar, Ref, PP, Silos, TechCenter (for better tanks and infantry), diffrent defense tower, radar... and every single building has their own features... now you can plan your base, you have to aks yourself what you want.. you wane have good tanks? build WF, techcenter... you wane have more credits you build 2 refs and silos... but each team can just bild 7 buildings or 6 or 5... of those 12... and once destroyed you have to pay the 3x price... or it is impossible...
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