[NODeath]

Hi,

I have just play C&C Renegade 1 and the ambiance is really more fun than Renegade-X. Why ? More people ?

Simply i think that people search more ambiance of Renegade and than this ambiance of recent game. Certes Renegade-X is beautiful but this does not make everything.

But go on, RenX is not bad .

I search a small debate on this topic.

Thanks.

PS : Sorry for my english.

[kenz3001]

cnc renegade is more fun because of the amount of people and just that ... it is more frustrating too just for the BAD LAG ... renx is getting a bigger and bigger following and when the standalone is out even more cnc renegade players will get converted (they are all cheap they wont buy ut3 for 8 bucks)

me personally i proffers renx just coz i can shot some 1 that is there (cnc renegade i can shoot some 1 that is not there) .... i love the graphics in renx it just makes the game more enjoyable to play

i think the biggest problem is that renx is a "remake" of a very good game so not many people like to entertain the idea or a remake

now if the x was a 2 than see what would happen lol

cnc renegade has a bigger following at the moment but this will change

amount of people on the servers make the game (i always search for the biggest server in every game i have)

having such small amount of people at 1 time makes games shot and boaring (there is no 1 to defend the bace at the start of the game) the first team to get a mcv and or long range weapon wins

need to make a time for every 1 to come play (like a DEV night with out the DEV part) devs welcome lol

[R315r4z0r]

I disagree. The lag in Renegade X is much worse than the lag in Renegade.

It might not alter how your character moves and warp your enemies around, but at least what I hit takes damage.

People on Renegade X can't help but flock to the server with the highest ping... as such it's very hard for me to have a good experience when none of my shots damage what they hit.

[kenz3001]

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I disagree. The lag in Renegade X is much worse than the lag in Renegade.

It might not alter how your character moves and warp your enemies around, but at least what I hit takes damage.

People on Renegade X can't help but flock to the server with the highest ping... as such it's very hard for me to have a good experience when none of my shots damage what they hit.[/b]

are you on about you have to aim of to 1 side when you are try to hit something that is moving ?

thats not lag thats the physx

the only time i get lag is in vehicles ... but im in the uk and most servers are european so i not know how it would effect other people in us and such

[R315r4z0r]

No that's lag. On laggy servers, your shots get delayed a bit so you have to aim more in front of your targets than you have to on other servers.

The better ping, the less delay your shots have.

That's why it's much easier to hit players on servers with better pings. It's almost impossible for me to win an infantry battle on the MP gaming server while in other servers I can survive much longer.

[bali]

when i went back to renegade, the first thing i saw (apart from the old graphics, which i remembered to better), is that i could actually see. even in the distance. in RenX the distant places get blurry, and in Field everything is grey and dark so i cannot tell what is there. setting the gamma, brightness wont do anything i just get a littlebit lighter grey "distant place" color. i guess this is an ut3 engine inherent, because its also present in other mods.
the second thing that i saw, was that my teammates actually knew what they did. no "camping the enemy harvester with a shotgun and not placing c4, while the base is getting rushed" stories happened.
what actually i hate in original renegade, is the arty screen-shake. Thank God it isnt implemented in RenX. (is there any way to turn it off in the original game? it would be a redemption for me)

lag is much-much-much worse in RenX for infantry fights than in original Renegade. (for me, at least)
if i shoot some1, i kill some1 in renegade, and not like i shoot him and because of the lag i didnt do any damage. Or once i missed, but because of lag it became a hs... wtf? it sucks imo, that i know not i killed him, i just got lucky. its too random.
for me the best way to "snipe" is just to shoot around the enemy like a retard, and some of the shots will hit. (this 1 works actually quite well, i can kill an enemy in an average of 4-6 bullets)

[[NE]Fobby[GEN]]

I like Renegade X a lot better, apart from the client side hit detection and smaller numbers. But hey, we're only half done the mod, it gets better every build & the UDK version is something to look forward to.

[SkeetrPan]

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People on Renegade X can't help but flock to the server with the highest ping to me.[/b]

Fixed.

[AlienXServers]

[RABBLE]
I agree with some people here.
Renegade-X has got its infintary lag issues, but if you go and play UT3 you cant hit anything for shit... so quite frankly its just the netcode of the game that cannot handle a ping of over 80ish, it cannot keep bullets in sync to when you acctually pressed the left mouse button.

And - because of this you do find yourself shooting in the direction they are walking.

Renegade had a completely different bullet system, the bullets were client side, the damage was client side, the rate of fire was client side - damn well everything was, which made it possible to make client sided damage cheats by modifying game files.

With Renegade, when you click - a bullet came out, your clients controlled bullet would hit a player, your client would tell the server this and the server would tell the other person that "You have been hit for x damage" and their client's HUD would change to whatever hp is left after the hit has taken place...

With Renegade-X, when you click - a message is sent to the server saying "i want to fire", a message is sent back to the client saying "Fire away" - this takes 2x the amount of ping time you have, because a reply message has to be sent, once a bullet hits the player (normally server sided detection - not sure at how renegade-x handles it), the server notifies the client and yadda yadda.

Remember that UT3's servers acctually load the game world, where as Renegade's ones do not, sure they do to an extent but they do not load bullet travel lines and vehicle projectiles in real time, where ut3 does.

[/RABBLE]

[Qbert987]

well we could make ren-x a 2 and make a good single player someday in the future

[Retrofraction]

Renegade X was a good idea, but a miss on trying to get the target audience to switch.

I think that the reason Renegade was so much fun was because it did have flaws and Glitches.

Not that i CHEAT its just with the server is sort of kill joy when making sure that no one can exploit a hole in the enemy's defense system to sneak a engineer into their base while no one was looking.

Graphically I can understand the remixes you have done to the original game but some how these remixes have lost the retro-ness of renegade.

you might want to consider switching your HUDs back to the original ones and make the buying screen the EXACTLY the same but with new pictures.

One thing to point out is that Renegade is an old game that does not take a lot of CPU power or internet speed, and you sort of alienated the main fan group by using the UT3 engine witch is not quite as bad as the Crisis engine. I have a feeling that most of the people still playing renegade are using sub par computers that probably cannot run UT3

I have never played a game of UT3 without some lag even on a 3mb connection, but with the original Renegade I was still able to play well with 8 players on dial-up 56k. My grand parents still use 56k. . .

[L0rd0wnt]

I think Renegade x would be alot more fun if Nod didn't win 90% of the games....
I played 8 games in a row a few days ago and Nod won every freaking time. Why even bother trying as GDI?

[bali]

"I have a feeling that most of the people still playing renegade are using sub par computers that probably cannot run UT3"
that's true, but there are gamers, who played ren, liked it, but dont play it anymore, because of the outdated graphics. RenX is perfect for them imo.

"Not that i CHEAT its just with the server is sort of kill joy when making sure that no one can exploit a hole in the enemy's defense system to sneak a engineer into their base while no one was looking."
still there , obby is really out-playable. i like to sneak in the base of nod with a hotti blow pp up on under, and win the game with this move. but the AGT seems more powerful in RenX, so nod lack most of these tactics. (hmm... cant imagine if GDI would have any chance against Nod then)

"you might want to consider switching your HUDs back to the original ones and make the buying screen the EXACTLY the same but with new pictures."
the old hud wasnt that much better, i think the renX team can come up with something better. ( http://media.moddb.com/... <-could u make this hud? maybe with some bigger hp bars. or an option for custom hud)
the pt feels perfect to me. i like it even more than the orignal ren verson.


"I think Renegade x would be alot more fun if Nod didn't win 90% of the games....
I played 8 games in a row a few days ago and Nod won every freaking time. Why even bother trying as GDI?"
well... its just 0.50. and it improved a lot since 0.35 :lol:
(on under, and hourglass, the matches are pretty even. maybe on horologe too)

[bug]

I think the hud is okay,
and I think there shouldn't be an option for costom huds (maybe make it possible though to move parts of the hud, or even hide parts so you can chose what you need and where you like to have stuff like radar and hp bar)
But it's unnecessary to add (advantage) stuff to your hud like building bars etc, learn to play the game without knowing everything by just watching your hud. (probably people are going to complain about my opinion there but this is just what I think)

Maybe people don't like renegade X because they don't have the advantage they had in renegade, renegade X is harder then.
Ofcourse, skins and mods are cool, but some (if not most) are using skins and mods to see things easier and know more than they should unlike other players.


Anyway,
I like Renegade X, and I'm looking forward to the next updates.
For now it's not that addictive as Renegade is, I have no idea why, probably because of the amount of players atm, but that'll change after every update (I believe since 0.50 came out, more and more people are playing RenX which is a good thing).
Maybe not to many people play RenX because it is 'different' than what they are used to, the moving/driving/aiming etc, some just can't accept changes (for now) and stay on Renegade.

Keep up the good work

[R315r4z0r]

With every build, more and more people join. But everyone tends to flock to the MP gaming servers because of their name.

In Renegade, Reborn and APB, the MP Gaming servers are excellent. There is no noticable lag and there usually many people playing. However, ping is much more sensitive in UT3 than it is in Renegade. Many of us on the western side of the Atlantic have lag issues with the MP gaming servers on Renegade X.

Don't get me wrong, they aren't bad servers. They are excellent fun. I just wish that there was another popular server closer to where I live.